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Aerian_Skybane · Jan 18, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Although I don't extensively use the macro keys, I am pretty sure on the conceptual reading of how they would be legal/illegal, as is the case in most games.

Simple sequence of key presses is (remember conceptually according to EULA), legal, since you can not ban someone who presses 5 keys faster. The macros can execute a series of actions that can be accomplish by the same method as hitting the keys individually.

Hitting 2 to cast meteor followed by hitting 3 to flare (for an example based on skill bar) being turning into a macro is legal. Making a macro that hits 2 to cast meteor, delay until clock is up to cast meteor again, would be ILlegal, because there is no equivalent simple single key combination in order to do so without human interfacing.

That is the difference, and I am quite sure ANet follows that possibility. One is indifferent from any other human interface player, while the other can clearly be seen as a "botted" script.

Selket · Jan 19, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Simple sequence of key presses is (remember conceptually according to EULA), legal, since you can not ban someone who presses 5 keys faster. The macros can execute a series of actions that can be accomplish by the same method as hitting the keys individually.

So having inhuman timing for weapon swaping and item-shadow stepping isn't illegal? o ok.

Cuz instant is still inhuman o;

-Loki- · Jan 19, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

I tried setting up macros, but I'm so used to doing everything the hard way I just don't use them.

flyinhigh · Jan 19, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

actually the only thing that they said is bannable is fully automated. not even timed scriptes.

bhavv · Jan 19, 2008, 10:48 AM // 10:48

The one thing I would use these macros with if I had a G15 is hero key bindings. Eg I assign skill 1 of each hero to numpad 1, 4, and 7, set up a macro key to activate all of these when I press 1 and I get 4x invoke lightning in perfect unison. Now that seems bannable to me.

Longasc · Jan 19, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

It is for sure not bannable, people just search hard for any possible way to gain an edge in a "fair" fight. :>

Pandora's box · Jan 19, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

I'm going to buy one next month and I'll mainly use it to combine actions that require several keystrokes to 1, e.g. call nearest target AND attack. I think there is no problem with that because Anet did not make key-combo's for balancing issues but because there are not enough keys on a regular keyboard to cover all actions.

Numa Pompilius · Jan 19, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Yeah, hero-spike is an obvious application. Could be interesting to try a spike-team in hero arena, actually.

Arduin · Jan 19, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by flyinhigh

actually the only thing that they said is bannable is fully automated. not even timed scriptes.

So it would be totally okay of you'd make a macro which enables you to nearly-automate a Hero FFF? With timed intervals of heroes activating their running skills, and you only needing to flag them correctly. Saves you a bunch of mouseclicks.

flyinhigh · Jan 21, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

if your still at your computer and you have to activate it, its not full auto and your still playing.

MercenaryKnight · Jan 29, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

So it would be totally okay of you'd make a macro which enables you to nearly-automate a Hero FFF? With timed intervals of heroes activating their running skills, and you only needing to flag them correctly. Saves you a bunch of mouseclicks.

That could actually be an interesting idea. Since you still have to go and zone, get quest and reward and rezone all the time.

Seems interesting enough if you could set up the script so it places the flags and hits run skills while you sit back and then wait the minute to go get quest reward.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if a.net would still ban for that because it is a form of "botting" and earning gold through the quest.

anime232 · Jan 30, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

id say be careful about that fancy gw applet for recently had both my account passwords changed on me including the email and plaync master account >.> nifty it is but at high cost... funny thing happened about 2 weeks after i stopped using it.

Arduin · Jan 30, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Seems interesting enough if you could set up the script so it places the flags and hits run skills while you sit back and then wait the minute to go get quest reward.

I wouldn't mind placing the flags, just scripting the skill activiation would do it for me. But need to buy a new keyboard first, so we will see.

MercenaryKnight · Jan 30, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Even if you did plant the flags yourself, it wouldn't really surprise me if just being able to press say 1 button to click all the skills would be suspicious to a.net.

That's the main problem is, they can say "oh macros are fine" in one instance and then ban you the next for misuse.

prism2525 · Jan 30, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

er... guys, anyone bring me up to speed and tell me HOW to set these things up?

And my keyboard isn't the G15, but i have some other buttons (F-lock, browser commands, go to mail button etc). can i use these buttons?

EDIT: just tried the keyboard's program and it lets me use an EXE file on the keys apart from the default and some COPY and PASTE commands. are these EXE files macros and how do i create them please?

BenjZee · Jan 31, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

i thought it was only for these special keybords. Can little shortcut buttons be edited ?

prism2525 · Feb 01, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

i thought it was only for these special keybords. Can little shortcut buttons be edited ?

mine can, at least I can load an exe file to them, dunno if it's the same thing though.

Minus30 · Feb 01, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by prism2525

mine can, at least I can load an exe file to them, dunno if it's the same thing though.

It's not. The G15 can easily record button combinations and save them as macros. Just by hitting the "MR" button -> Hot Key you want to assign -> button combo you want -> "MR" button (-> Add time delays, mouse clicks etc trough Keyboard Profile tool from Logitech)

I've been thinking about spiking with heroes too

, shouldn't be bannable as one can press 4 buttons at the same time too. (I got 10 fingers so can go upto 10! ;-))

my macros so far:

G2: /resign
G3: /age
G4: /deaths
G5: /dance *

I used to have G18 as F12+c, but I pressed it a few times accidentally and removed it since then

I've used to LCDapp, but it wasn't very useful so got rid of it

Arduin · Feb 01, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Even if you did plant the flags yourself, it wouldn't really surprise me if just being able to press say 1 button to click all the skills would be suspicious to a.net.

That's the main problem is, they can say "oh macros are fine" in one instance and then ban you the next for misuse.

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. Ought to get an official statement that using these macro's is not a bannable offense. In case you get banned, you can put that statement under their nose and hope to get unbanned.

JimmyNeutron · Mar 06, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Since this discussion, I'm curious if the use of the G15 to program one of the G# key repeatedly would be illegal?

Here's what I was trying to do today and then after using it for a few test runs, I stop because was afraid I would get banned.

In EoTN, I'm doing Kilroy Stonekin Punchout and when your knock down, you're suppose to press 8 repeatedly to stand up.

I program my G8 key so that when I hold down G8, it acts as I repeatedly press 8 with 0.025 secs of delay between each 8.

Hopefully, I don't get banned, but I did use it for a test run tonight for about 5 min.

Thanks!